9 responses to “Same video – now with music!”

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  Ricard August 12th, 2008 at 00:10

  Nice editing. You made it look like we all switched places and changed our clothes while you were down below.

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  Ricard August 12th, 2008 at 00:11

  Like the music!

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  Norm Harney January 19th, 2009 at 22:13

  Hi Matti?

  Do you think it’s possible to get 800 sq ft of junk sail on a Westsail 32? It is 19,500 lbs and has an 11 ft beam.

  How long is the boom or bottom batten on Linnea?

  Thanks,
  Norm Harney

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  Matti January 21st, 2009 at 08:20

  Hi Norm.
  It is possible to do that. But I think it might be a bit too much. The Westsail of course has quite a long waterline for it’s loa, only one half foot under Linnea, but the problem is that the short overhangs will make the sheeting a bit problematic, if you don’t use double sheets or a bomkin. But I suppose you want a wind vane and then the sail might stick out too much at the back anyway, unless you construct something complicated.
  But I think one large sail on the Westsail is the best choice. It is always more difficult to fit two masts on a heavy boat with short overhangs.
  770 sq ft would give the same sa/disp ratio as Linnea has. This might give a nice starting point. Maybe it would be more important to check sail area against wetted surface, since this is what limits light air performance. Then play around with the stuff in “Practical Junk Rig”.
  Tell us what you choose!
  /m

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  Matti January 21st, 2009 at 08:24

  One more comment. With a clean bottom, 800 sq ft on Linnea is all she needs. Baggy panels or hinged battens would give better performance against the wind in choppy waves. But everything works fine as it is.
  /m

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  Norm Harney January 22nd, 2009 at 05:41

  Thanks Matti. I figured about the same, but I was hoping you might have some trick up your sleeve to make it work.

  Westsail 32s are reasonably available, very strong, suit many of my desires, and are within my budget restraints.

  I’ve been looking for the right boat since June and I’m getting anxious to get on with it.

  Have you been able to heave-to Linnea?

  How long is the boom or bottom batten? I’m trying to get an idea of how long the the foot of the sail can be compared to the length on deck and still have single sheetlets.

  Thanks again. I really appreciate you sharing your real world experience.

  Norm

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  Matti January 22nd, 2009 at 08:05

  Hi Norm,
  Generally, I would think the junk rig would be the easiest rig to fit on a heavy boat with small overhangs to get the most sail area out on one hull. Think about the junk sail as very “square” compared to a bermudan rig. You also lower much of the weight when you reef, which makes the boat able to carry more sail area in higher winds.

  I can’t say we have been able to heave-to in the normal sense. But it is quite possible to pinch high just by sheeting too much of a reefed sail. Using a wind vane it might work like heaving too.

  The battens and yard of Linnea is 25 ft 2 in.

  It seems like a lot of people have less than favourable comments on the Westsail. I can say that having a disp/lenth rato of 420, like Linnea, is not a bad thing when you go cruising. The designer of the Crown Jewel, Tom MacNaughton has written about the Westsail here: http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/_CabinTable_disc1/000000c4.htm

  Are you sailing single handed?
  /m

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  Norm Harney January 23rd, 2009 at 00:07

  Thanks for that link.

  As for the Westsail critics, I’m always amazed at how many people without firsthand experience are eager share their opinions. Such is life on internet forums.

  I am looking for a boat that I can both live on full time and single hand. I intend to spend my retirement voyaging. I think 20,000 lbs is about as big as I care to go and is certainly large enough for one person to live on. Steel is my first choice, but I haven’t been able to find anything suitable within my budget.

  How many feet do you move your sail fore and aft in the course of trimming on all points of sail? Again, I’m try to calculate how long the foot of the sail could be on a 32 foot boat.

  Thanks,
  Norm

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  Matti January 23rd, 2009 at 11:39

  Hi Norm,
  Some opinion: It might be a good idea to have an open eye for something a bit smaller. 770 sq ft of sail is a lot to hoist for one person. At least in situations when you are tired, the boat is rolling etc. An option is to do what we are doing: get an electrical winch for situations like this when my parents are out alone.
  Since the sail is calculated in area and all materials in volume, you will save much weight to go down just to, say 600 sq ft.

  You can see the movement of the sail in the plan on MacNaughtons site. On the wind, the sail is at the aftmost position, off the wind, the sail is as much forward as possible. Check the Hasler-McLeod-book on how to draw the sailplan.

  /matti